We have an Apple podcasts channel exclusively for this podcast. Subscribe here.

Do you get your podcasts on Spotify? Find us here.

RadioPublic is another popular podcast vehicle, and we are here.

On PodParadise, find us here.

And on PlayerFM, we are here.

Read the automated transcript below. Because it’s a computer-generated transcript, it contains many errors and misspellings.

Chris Quinn (00:00.862)

Well, this winter certainly is long gray, never going to end. got another week of it will muddle through, but we have today in Ohio, the news podcast discussion from cleveland.com and the plane dealer to divert everyone’s attention from the miserable weather outside. I’m Chris Quinn here with Laura Johnston, Lisa Garvin and Leila Tasi. Lisa, let’s start with you. Republicans say they hate tax hikes.

But Ohio’s number one Republican, Mike DeWine, seems to like one specific kind of tax as he demonstrated in his new budget proposal. What is it?

Lisa (00:39.191)

Yeah, the budget proposal relies heavily on sin taxes. So let’s look at some of the proposals in the budget. So recreational marijuana currently taxed at 10%. They want to raise that to 20 % to pay for law enforcement training, local jail improvements, and moving driver’s education back to high schools out of the private sector. They want to raise the cigarette tax from $1.60 a pack to $3.10.

to make up for a loss of tax revenue from providing a state income tax credit for $1,000 per child, age six and younger. That tax credit would mean about a billion dollars in lost revenue, and they hope that the cigarette tax will make up for that. They’re also gonna take tax vaping products in the same vein. Gambling, they wanna double the revenue from 20 % to 40%.

The $288 million to be generated from that would pay for sports stadiums and youth sports programs over the next two years. But Baldwin Wallace, the university acting president, Tom Sutton says, this is where it gets weird. DeWine’s not crazy about any of these things. He doesn’t like gambling. He doesn’t like smoking. doesn’t like marijuana, but he did say that he can’t stop it, but they can make money from it. But he also, DeWine also hopes that higher taxes will discourage use.

Which would then mean lower revenue from all of these things. So it’s kind of a weird little circle game.

Chris Quinn (02:05.64)

Does he drink? Because I noticed there wasn’t anything on alcohol. And I wondered why that is. Well, let’s face it, for the people that are buying the $300 bottles of bourbon and the expensive bottles of wine, they can afford a higher tax and it would make things more equitable. But that’s not on there, partly, I think, because those revenues go to Jobs, Ohio. And if you start to cut into liquor sales, it’ll hurt Jobs, Ohio. We talked about the gambling.

Lisa (02:09.495)

Hahaha!

Lisa (02:26.711)

Hmm.

Chris Quinn (02:32.724)

tax last week and if you watch the Super Bowl yesterday you saw commercial after commercial for the betting houses that are just raking in the bucks in Ohio without spending a dime here and so I actually think he’s on to something with that. With the tobacco, legislature’s been in the pocket of tobacco all along. Why you don’t tax vaping the same way you tax cigarettes makes no sense, right? I mean, it’s the same product just in a

Lisa (02:42.079)

Mm-hmm.

Lisa (02:57.025)

Mm-hmm.

Chris Quinn (03:02.418)

different form, but the cigarette companies come in and buy these guys all up and persuade them not to do it. They almost did it at one point, but then they pulled back. I don’t expect this legislature, which has proven time and time again that it is just bought by the highest bidder, will do it. But, but vaping should be taxed like tobacco. Whether you should increase it? I don’t know. I mean, it does seem to have an effect on getting people to quit.

which is a positive, right? It’s a lot less lung cancer, a lot less bills for insurance companies, but it’s interesting. He left alcohol alone.

Lisa (03:29.601)

Mm-hmm.

Lisa (03:33.271)

Allegedly. I I mean, yeah, vaping originally was supposed to wean people off of cigarettes, but we know that that it didn’t work out that way. But I was kind of intrigued by House Speaker Matt Huffman. He said that sin taxes are so easy to do, but they disproportionately affect lower income folks, which we’ve been saying all along. And he also said if these taxes are raised too much, people will find alternatives like driving to Michigan for marijuana, thus reducing Ohio revenue. And there are other Republicans that are skeptical too, but

As someone has pointed out, know, they think that maybe more reliance on consumption taxes would be less reliance on the state income tax. Are they trying to replace the state income tax with consumption taxes?

Chris Quinn (04:17.34)

Yeah, the only thing that makes no sense to me is we’re doing big syntaxes in the state where we’re leaving alcohol alone. you’re going to remember we’re treating marijuana was supposed to treat marijuana like alcohol. Let’s let’s do that. You’re listening to Today in Ohio. How have decisions made by the new Trump administration had a devastating impact on Ukrainian refugees in Cleveland, Leila?

Leila (04:41.487)

Well, the short answer is that the administration’s sudden freeze on federal refugee funding has left hundreds of newly arrived refugees, including Ukrainians, without the support that they were promised. So here’s what happened. The federal government had already approved funding to help refugees get settled in Cleveland under the Biden administration. And this covered essentials like rent and food and job placement services for their first few months.

But once Trump took office, his administration put a stop to those payments and that left local resettlement agencies scrambling. Darren Ham, who leads the Cleveland office of the US Committee for Refugees and Immigrants, called this impact seismic. His organization, along with Catholic Charities and the May Dugan Center, has about 300 refugees in their care right now, including Ukrainians who fled war, who are now at risk of eviction in the middle of winter.

And the agencies have had to lay off staff and they’re now relying on emergency fundraising just to keep these families housed and fed. And let’s be clear, these refugees didn’t just show up. They went through an intense screening process, often waiting years in refugee camps before finally getting permission to resettle here. Ukrainians, like many others, came legally through the US Refugee Admissions Program, which was designed to help those fleeing war and persecution.

Chris Quinn (06:06.556)

Yeah, the sad thing on this subject for me is that refugees are being conflated by the administration with illegal immigration. Let’s face it, Trump and his acolytes like Bernie Moreno have convinced people who watch Fox News that immigration, illegal immigration, is destroying our country, even though it’s not. It’s become this huge issue because of the falsehoods told by the right-wing press.

Leila (06:14.627)

Yeah.

Chris Quinn (06:33.256)

And fine, if you want to talk about people who broke the law to come here and how you’d like to remove them. OK, fine. They broke the law. Work it out. Do what you’re supposed to do. Don’t do it secretly. But he’s he’s got people now thinking refugees are the bad guys as well. And what kills me is I got a bunch of email over the weekend in response to an immigration column I wrote. Most of it. Thank this for being the champions of transparency. But for those who don’t really read it because they send me idiotic

statements. They’re all about they broke the law, they broke the law, throw them out, throw them out, throw them out. If you we have methods to come in legally. Well, that’s what refugees are. They came here legally, they’ve done nothing illegal. They’re in danger back home. But Trump is villainizing them and JD Vance is villainizing them and Bernie Moreno is villainizing them. It’s just gross the way this has been put together.

Leila (07:11.32)

Yeah.

Chris Quinn (07:28.468)

This money shouldn’t be cut off. We made a promise to these folks and now the agencies we talked to are scrambling to put their their funds together to keep them healthy.

Leila (07:38.168)

Right. mean, this is an administration that just hates outsiders. so conflating these groups of people is part, it’s a page of the playbook. I think what’s especially frustrating to advocates is that Cleveland has a long history of welcoming immigrants. Many of the city’s neighborhoods were built by earlier waves of refugees from Europe, including Ukraine. Local groups like Global Cleveland say that these new arrivals are ready to work and contribute.

But without the promised federal support, their future is really uncertain.

Chris Quinn (08:11.974)

It’s all about race. Look, did you see what Trump did with South Africa over the weekend? He’s offering refugee status, or said he might, to white South African people because he said they’re being discriminated against. These are people who are wealthy. These are not people that are scraping to get by, but they’re white, which is what he is about. He just wants to have white people, largely white men, in America.

Leila (08:13.784)

Yeah.

Lisa (08:24.502)

Ugh.

Leila (08:24.993)

my god.

Leila (08:34.817)

I know.

Chris Quinn (08:37.19)

It’s just you shouldn’t break your promise to people. I people have come to this country based on our long history of taking care of those who are in danger. They went through a two year vetting process to get in here. This is not something you do overnight. They are investigated to the hilt. They get here, we have a contract with them, and he’s unilaterally cut them off. It is one of the worst actions he’s taken. He’s making people suffer who came here legally.

Leila (08:48.408)

Right.

Chris Quinn (09:04.348)

We have a Senator Bernie Moreno who was not born in America. Wealthy guy comes to this country with his wealthy family, gets their citizenship because they have the money to move around in society. He should be defending these people. They came here legally. He should be their champion. So where does he stand on this?

Leila (09:21.356)

Right, right. you know, Cleveland, like many Rust Belt cities, has been struggling with population decline and workforce shortages. Refugees have historically played a crucial role in revitalizing neighborhoods and filling jobs that employers can’t staff and starting small businesses. when the federal government pulls funding and makes resettlement harder, it’s not just hurting the refugees, it’s hurting Cleveland’s economic future. This is awful.

Chris Quinn (09:48.66)

You’re listening to Today in Ohio. It’s the kind of thing you might expect in an apocalypse, but how many youths were charged with murder in Cuyahoga County last year? Laura, it’s a big number.

Laura (09:59.512)

These are 41 kids basically charged in violent deaths. The youngest was 12 years old. He was arrested after a carjacking spree that ended in a fatal shooting of his friend. Incredibly depressing. Nine of the accused were 14 or younger at the time of the crime. That’s middle school. Let’s be clear. 12 years old is what you turn when you’re in sixth grade. And prosecutor Michael Malley said these numbers are a sobering reality of the level of juvenile violence in Cuyahoga County.

They have easy access to guns. They do not hesitate to use them. And sadly, it’s a program, sorry, problem that continues to grow. Everybody agrees that this is a huge problem. The activists for kids say we have to create a comprehensive strategy where we don’t have young people feeling like they need to do whatever’s necessary to get their needs met. I don’t know that anyone would disagree with that because obviously, grabbing a gun at the age of 12 is not your first priority usually.

Chris Quinn (10:58.43)

We had an interesting conversation at the end of the podcast last week, too bad we didn’t record it, about vesting, what age you vest kids with responsibility. It was multi-generational, because Lisa and I are older than Laura and Layla, and I was vested with responsibility at age 10 or 11 with a paper route, which was real responsibility. Be somewhere every day, knock on doors to collect money, learn to talk to adults, but it helped build my character.

Lisa talked about how she was a devoted horseback rider that had a discipline to it and a responsibility for being there to do the work. you know, Laura, I think you talked about babysitting and how that went on. But we don’t give 10 and 11 and 12 year olds responsibility these days. And I think that that harms the development of people as they get older.

Laura (11:38.232)

Mm-hmm.

Laura (11:52.334)

I think they probably have too much time on their hands, right? Like because you can’t babysit at age 11 anymore because people don’t trust you to watch their kids. They want kids who are at the end of high school or in college or have degrees basically to watch their kids. So it’s harder for kids to find jobs, to keep themselves busy, to keep themselves out of trouble. And I don’t think we can discount the role of poverty and the family structure here because I think all of us grew up in households where our parents were making sure that we

we’re keeping out of trouble, right? And so a lot of these kids are growing up, they don’t feel a lot of hope or a path forward. So we don’t think we can discount that. That said, I agree with you. These kids all have cell phones. They don’t necessarily see what’s real in real life. They see what’s happening on phones and music videos or video games or whatever it is. And I think they have a distorted perception of reality.

Chris Quinn (12:46.484)

But historically speaking, this generation and maybe one or two before it, they’re the first ones in our history that have not had serious responsibilities at a much earlier age than we give them responsibilities now. The history of America is 10 and 11 and 12 year olds doing chores, having to be somewhere at a certain time, showing up, being held to account and getting the rewards of that. And that’s gone.

Laura (13:02.402)

In the eye…

Laura (13:13.486)

Well, the irony is that I think you wanted to protect kids, right? That’s why we took these responsibilities off them, because you’re like, you’re only a kid once, we want you to enjoy it, we want you to concentrate on your schoolwork and you’re increasingly busy and expensive sports that you do. But is that harming our kids in the long run? That’s a really good question.

Lisa (13:35.062)

I think that Mike O’Malley, he’s been warning us for years about this juvenile crime wave and now that it’s kind of crested everyone’s going, I get what he means and of course we had all that discussion over bind overs to adult court you know and and are we doing too many bind overs and O’Malley’s saying some people need to be bound over.

Laura (13:53.698)

Right, but then if they are at this point, if they do need to be bound over and yes, some kids, yes, what failed them in the meantime? A 12 year old is not set up for violence like that.

Chris Quinn (14:01.181)

Yeah.

Chris Quinn (14:07.076)

By the time they’re putting a gun to somebody’s head and shooting, it’s too late. You’re going to have to deal with the public safety issue. But what I’m getting at is there are whole bunch of steps before then, and we just are not teaching responsibility well.

Laura (14:09.069)

Yes.

Lisa (14:12.567)

Mm-hmm.

Leila (14:22.848)

I think there are steps before responsibility though. And I think that that will require mentorship. You need support and mentorship before you, before, I mean, you’re never going to instill responsibility in a kid who feels unsupported and unloved and just, you know, at the mercy of the moment and living in poverty without hope. So you’re not going to be like, here’s your paper route. I mean, that’s just not going to work.

Laura (14:40.046)

Mm-hmm.

Lisa (14:50.387)

Yeah, or gangs give them a sense of family that they don’t have otherwise.

Laura (14:50.456)

Right, right.

Leila (14:54.923)

Exactly.

Laura (14:55.438)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Chris Quinn (14:57.128)

You’re listening to Today in Ohio. Maybe this offers a solution to the story we just discussed. Lela, what is Youth Opportunities Unlimited doing to keep teens busy with some pay?

Leila (15:07.49)

Well, so every summer, Youth Opportunities Unlimited, it’s known as YOU, connects kids ages 14 to 18 with paying jobs. They get real work experience, they earn their own money, and sometimes they even discover a future career path. There was a girl in Caitlin Durbin’s story named Adora. She’s a great example. She had trouble finding work after her first part-time job ended. No resume, limited hours, no one was calling her back.

Then she got into YOU summer program where she was matched with a tech company and she learned cyber security skills. And most importantly, she started earning money again. For a lot of Cleveland teens, YOU is their first introduction to work. They can try out jobs in retail, food service, tutoring, even engineering while they’re making $13.50 an hour. And that’s a great wage for a teen. And it’s not just about the paycheck. A Case Western study found that youth employment programs like this

reduce crime and help kids in school. But there’s a problem because far more teens want in this program than the program can actually handle. YOU gets more than 6,000 applicants each year, but only has the funding to hire about 1,200. And that means thousands of kids who want to work are turned away. And the program’s leaders are calling in local businesses and funders to step up. They say it’s a win-win. Teens get the valuable experience and companies get eager workers.

essentially at no cost to them.

Chris Quinn (16:36.82)

Yeah, it kind of gets exactly at what I was just talking about. Investing kids with something where they have to be there and they get the reward for it and they learn to start managing money. It’s a good program, but it does need help.

Leila (16:48.854)

Yeah, I mean, it’s really a proven solution, but just not at the scale we need. you know, giving young people access to jobs gives them purpose and structure and a legal way to earn money. So it’s interesting that there, I had no idea that the backlog was so big.

Chris Quinn (17:09.736)

You’re listening to Today in Ohio. Bird flu keeps hitting the news as having the potential to become another pandemic, even though it’s not anywhere near that now. Lisa, where does Ohio stand in terms of bird flu cases?

Lisa (17:24.279)

We are number one in the country in the number of chickens destroyed because of bird flu. So 50 commercial sites were affected. Over 10 million laying hens had to be destroyed as the virus spiked last month in Ohio. These flocks affected are contained to only four counties in Western Ohio right now. Mercer, Van Wert, August and Dark.

But these counties are also along a major migratory flyway. So they’re getting a lot of wild birds and geese and so forth flying over them and mixing with their flocks. But they have not found the bird flu yet in any backyard flocks. Ohio Agriculture Department Director Brian Baldrige says, you know, they have to really move quickly because it’s a high mortality rate. If one bird is infected, the entire flock has to go.

They use methods of the US Agriculture Department to destroy these flocks. It was kind of interesting. Peter Krauss talked about it. I don’t want to get into the gory details, but what they do after they destroy the birds, they pile them in rows and then compost them until it’s warm enough to destroy the virus. And that takes about two months. And then they mix it like with manure and wood chips and organic materials. And then they can use that compost to spread on their fields later on.

After the flock is destroyed, the barn has to undergo a deep cleaning and disinfection. It has to sit idle and unused for 14 days. Now farmers are insured by the U.S. Agriculture Department against this kind of thing.

Chris Quinn (18:53.438)

There are lot of worries though that the Trump administration, because Trump was bitten so badly by the pandemic four years ago, is trying to block information on this instead of being alert for it and keeping it at bay. A lot of people who are experts in this field say this does not have to become a pandemic, but it depends on how we deal with it and that we are not dealing with it in such a way as to keep it at bay, but to keep

Lisa (19:05.633)

Mm-hmm.

Lisa (19:15.691)

Mm-hmm.

Chris Quinn (19:21.704)

convincing people it’s not a problem.

Lisa (19:24.095)

Well, of course, he wants to bring those egg prices down, so you can’t do that when you have bird flu raging through your commercial flocks.

Chris Quinn (19:31.924)

You’re listening to Today in Ohio. Laura, why is an air code an important document in this city and why is Cleveland rewriting its version?

Laura (19:41.742)

because this allows the city to regulate air pollution. And in Cleveland, it hasn’t been updated since 1977. That is older than I am and I have a birthday coming up. So in some neighborhoods of Cleveland, one in four kids suffer from asthma, 25%. And others, it’s as low as 5%. And that’s all due to the air that they breathe. And that’s what the city believes. So this air code could give the city a better mechanism to monitor the air quality.

in the different areas to take correction act corrective action, whether they’re talking to factories or trying to limit idling of vehicles, that seems like it would be really difficult to do, but they could help residents improve the quality of the air inside their homes, not just outside. So city council is supposed to talk about these new rules in March.

Chris Quinn (20:30.804)

The map that we ran with this story was alarming because it really showed that high incidence in the poverty stricken neighborhoods on the east side of Cleveland with huge asthma rates.

Laura (20:42.506)

Mm-hmm. Right. so, I mean, one in four kids suffering, that could be a lifelong issue that they have. So what this does is it creates this establishment of a cumulative impact score. So if you have a high impact of pollution, then that’s the total environmental stresses of a neighborhood. And then the industries in those neighborhoods would have to give more information when they want to install new emission units or modify existing ones. So they would be stricter with those. And they would apply fees.

and make them mitigate their pollution. There’s no really good plan for the vehicle idling yet. I mean, I think I don’t even know how you would do that, how you can keep track of it. But I’m assuming they’ll be all talking about these things when they go up in March. And it’s good that the city is paying attention to this.

Chris Quinn (21:27.656)

You’re listening to Today in Ohio. Do we have any clues on why with cancer death rates dropping significantly overall in recent years, the incidence of cancer in young and middle aged women is on the rise? Lisa.

Lisa (21:42.231)

They really don’t know, but they’re working hard to try and figure it out. The American Cancer Society issued its annual report, Cancer Statistics 2025. The report said that from 1991 to 2022, cancer deaths dropped by 34%. That means 4.5 million deaths were avoided. The lead author of the report, Rebecca Siegel, says the reductions are due to earlier detection.

better treatment options like immunotherapy and decreased smoking. But the progress is offset by increased rates for several cancer types, especially in women and young adults. So women under 50 are 82 % more likely than men to get cancer. So the cancer burden is actually shifting from men to women. Colorectal cancer diagnosis in both men and women under 65 is way up. This has been a trend for a year.

and they’re actually changing the screening requirements because of it. Cervical cancer diagnosis in women 30 to 44 is up. Blacks are two times more likely to die of prostate cancer, 50 % more likely to die of cervical cancer, and deaths from pancreatic, which is a terrible cancer, uterine and oral cancers are up despite overall mortality declines.

Chris Quinn (23:00.872)

That difference in rate though for men and women under 50 is stunning. there really isn’t, nobody’s positing a theory as to why this is. I know the women that I deal with under that age are under a lot of stress, maybe that’s it.

Lisa (23:05.685)

Mm-hmm.

Lisa (23:16.951)

I really don’t know. They don’t know whether it’s died because when I was at MD Anderson, we were dealing with this back then and that was 10 years ago. So, you know, the screening used to be 60, then it moved to 50 and now I think it’s down to 45 for getting your first colonoscopy. So yeah, they’re hard at work trying to figure this out, but it’s probably maybe lifestyle factors, they think.

Chris Quinn (23:41.628)

I have been pounding the message hard with women I know who are turning 35 in hint wink wink to get their colon cancer screening because if you catch it early you’re fine and if you don’t you’re not. So good message there. You’re listening to Today in Ohio. We let this one slide because Layla was off when it happened. What is the word on the new tilt roller coaster at Cedar Point Layla?

Leila (24:08.525)

this is a big one. Big story. Cedar Point is going to roll out its 19th coaster this summer. It’s very unique for the park. It’s called Sirens Curse and it’s North America’s tallest, fastest and longest tilt coaster, which basically means they’ve found a new way to make you question your life choices mid ride. this is how it works. At one point,

in the ride that the track tilts a full 90 degrees, leaving you dangling 160 feet in the air staring straight down for up to 10 seconds before dropping you into this wild twisting layout. And if that’s not enough, it’s the first Cedar Point coaster with an underground tunnel, which sits 65 feet long and 20 feet deep, so deep that they had to build a dam to keep Lake Erie from flooding it.

And the theme of this, it’s all about sirens, those mythical creatures that lure you in with their song before revealing their true terrifying nature. The ride even has a full soundtrack and LED lighting to immerse you in the experience. It’s very different from anything else in the park. And here’s a fun fact, siren’s curse was originally meant for Six Flags Mexico, but when that deal fell through, Cedar Point picked it up.

Turns out it was a perfect match because guest surveys showed people wanted a tilt coaster in the park.

Chris Quinn (25:30.152)

Wait, I’m still having a hard time seeing this. You said 90 degrees, which would mean I turn sideways, where my head is pointing to the side. So it’s

Leila (25:37.49)

No, so you’re on the track, you know how you go click, click, click, click, click up to the top and then the coaster tilts forward. So you are 90 degrees straight down. You’re looking straight down. are, yeah, in that way.

Chris Quinn (25:48.024)

okay. Yeah, that doesn’t sound fun at all. Okay.

Leila (25:52.874)

Now, and then you just stare straight down for 10 seconds until they release you. But, you know, I’m looking forward to this one because the park officials have likened this experience to Maverick, which is my favorite coaster at the park. That’s a very unique ride too. It’s low to the ground, takes you on a series of barrel rolls through canyons and stuff. It’s fun and thrilling in a completely different way without that 200 foot tall first drop that you get on some other coasters.

Chris Quinn (26:19.38)

Okay, but we’re living in a country right now where the Trump administration is destroying our democratic institutions. We’re already standing in an abyss. Do you really need this to give you the feeling of being at the abyss? You’re listening to Today in Ohio.

Leila (26:33.582)

How did you manage to take the fun out of this conversation?

Chris Quinn (26:42.216)

Finally, Lara is a hockey mom, a serious hockey mom. She spent more hours than she can count at ice rinks watching her son. She wrote a charming column as she approached this weekend, just finished weekend, the final time she would do so. Lara, what were your thoughts as you headed into that?

Laura (27:02.638)

Well, I got a lot of really nice feedback from this column. So I think if you’re a hockey parent, it’s a hardcore job. I mean, I’m a soccer mom, too. I’m a swim mom. And there’s something about hockey and maybe it’s the season that it’s in, but it is a that that rink. It just ripples with energy. And I think everybody feels that when the puck drops on that shiny white ice, it is just any thing can happen. And it is fast paced and.

You know, it starts when these kids are in kindergarten or before and they are bulked up in these giant pads and they’re adorable and they’re falling all over the ice and gets to this point where at 14 they’re bashing each other on the boards and you’re cringing and you love it. So it was the final home stand for our, son, he’s going to play in high school, but this, these teams, they kind of disintegrate. Some kids are going to go to the private schools. Some kids will pay for their public high schools. So they’ll see each other again, but

I won’t be part of it anymore. have their own locker room. They keep their own stuff. I won’t be driving him. won’t be listening to the hockey song on the way. And so last home game, he actually broke his stick for the first time. So there was another $150 I got to go spend on Sunday. First time that happened. He scored a goal in his very last game. I almost cried. was jumping up and down. I was so excited. And then we had the ceremony at the end where he had to give me a flower and hug me in front of his, uh,

Chris Quinn (28:12.149)

Hahaha

Laura (28:24.878)

his friends, 11 out of the 14 on this team are graduating. So it was really sweet. And I’ve got to say, I mean, I do love to ski, but other than that hockey gets me through our Northeast Ohio winters. And we’ve traveled all over the place for tournaments, but just in the Cleveland suburban hockey league between Menor to Worcester to Illyria, you know, these ranks, you spend a lot of time in there and the other parents do become like a winter family to you. So

It was good end.

Chris Quinn (28:55.198)

Were you just breathing it all in as you walked out for the final time just to try and preserve it in memory so you can think back on it?

Laura (28:57.644)

Yes. Yes.

Laura (29:02.51)

I mean, I even get a volunteer to do the carpool tonight. They got one more practice, you know, at 830 at night just because I’m like, I want to experience this. So yeah, you do get to that point where you’re savoring it and every season starts in August and you think, my God, this is such a long season and you get to the end and you’re like, but I’m not ready for it to be over. So it’s great game and people feel like it’s theirs even though it’s their kids on the ice.

Chris Quinn (29:05.127)

You

Chris Quinn (29:29.921)

I imagine you’ll feel the same way when you wrap up your final Girl Scouts meeting, right?

Leila (29:34.478)

You know I’m going to that mall lock-in again this year.

Chris Quinn (29:38.637)

no.

Laura (29:39.522)

good for you. I, I’m like my daughter is doing Girl Scouts. This is the last cookie sale. I do not have the same feelings about the last cookie sale.

Leila (29:46.99)

You

Chris Quinn (29:48.692)

Okay. You’re listening to Today in Ohio. That’s it for the Monday episode. Thanks, Laura. Thanks, Lisa. Thanks, Leila. Thank you for listening. We’ll return Tuesday to talk about some more news.